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6/11/2007 9:25 PM

	Lexicon
1 posts

This needs to be said

First off, I should probably point out that what you guys are doing is silly, and has absolutely no basis in reality. There is no good reason to think that any of the spells cited are likely to work. Of course, that's a general failing of religion - this vacuous lack of critical thinking, and the tendency to engage in absurd rituals that have no relevance to the real world.

As it is, I suppose you fools need to amuse yourselves. However, the howler that I noted on your front page is absurd enough that it needs to be pointed out.

In one of the article - "Better Business Spells" - "Marieta Stevens" suggests anointing the edges of your money with "Fast luck oil", a concoction made out of wintergreen, red food colouring and the like.

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Do you know what happens when you take money with splashes of red dye to the bank?

They reject it as the proceeds of a cash in transit heist. Cash in transit systems use a dye bomb system to protect money and make it harder to recirculate. PUTTING FOOD COLOURING ON MONEY MAKES THAT MONEY MUCH HARDER TO SPEND. HAY GUYZ, I DON'T THINK YOU THOUGHT YOUR CUNNING PLAN ALL THE WAY THROUGH!

6/15/2007 11:36 AM

	Ammon
185 posts
www.mystical.co.za

Re: This needs to be said

Hi Lexicon,

firstly welcome to our website, we like having people here with all kinds of views and appreciate any comments made that are not offensive, you highlight a very good point about the red dye however food coloring as a little different to the dye bombs in use, but one should be careful though.

It is obvious from your post that your believes are not necessarily the same as our regular members so I'd like to give you a little bit of information about what a spell is, a spell the way we do it is in one way very much like a prayer, only a little more elaborate, but the first difference is that a spell is also a way of doing positive reinforcement, we don't believe that once a spell is done you can now sit back and the money will roll in, or if it doesn't that it's the will of the Gods, once you've performed a spell what you have done is create a situation within which you can apply yourself to successfully, for some of us it simply means we do a spell to give ourself the confidence and motivation to approach the task as best we can, for others it's the knowledge that you have made your wishes and hopes clear to the universe and that doing so the universe will assist you in achieving your goals, and for some it may be something completely different again.

so I have to disagree to your statement that what we do has no basis in reality, the reality is that spells are used to achieve goals and motivate our actions, and are not like prayers simply thrown out there.

so is there good reason to believe any of the spells on this site, and any other for that matter will work, absolutely, because the more you believe in it, the more you are likely to do to help that spell along, and the more likely you will achieve your goals.

PS. Please do not call a collective group of people fools until you understand them well enough to call them any name accurately.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the end safely in a well preserved body, but rather to slide in sideways totally worn out shouting, "holy sh*t...what a ride!"

6/22/2007 5:04 PM

	Matthew Daymond
37 posts

Re: This needs to be said

Hi there Lexicon,

Thanks for the post, and also, thanks for taking the tie to read through the site.

From what ou have said, it appears to me that you are a person that firmly believes int eh natural sciences, an impericist if you will. Thats all fair and well. You say that what we do has no basis in reality. I dissagree firmly.

If you take a moment to see what past as well as contemporary quantum physicists, such as Einstein, Bohlr, and Schrodinger say, then you might understand reality to be quite different from your current concept. To experience reality, we first need to interpret what we are experiencing. although we might be looking at a physical object, it is still our interpretation and experience of that object that makes it real to us. Our interpretations, as it turns out, are based on our beliefs. For you wont interprat something to be real if you dont believe it so. With this in mind, it is fair to say, that we are the masters and constructors of reality. For if we believe in something, we are then free to experience that thing, and it becomes real. This can be a chair, a hamburger, sleep, pain, a visit from a faerie. As we experience these things more and more, so do our beliefs about them become stronger, until they are a fundamental essence of the world around us. Our beliefs can also affect the beliefs of those around us. By encouraging the beliefe in an object or entity, or discouraging the beliefe, it becomes more, ir in the case of the latter, less real.

So who is more right, those who believe in and have experiences with goblins and pixies, or those that feel there is no such thing as magick? The answer is neither. If reality is the construct of our own subjective beliefs, then each of us has our very own reality that we live in. On occasion this reality bumps up against and interacts with another persons reality, creating a shared experience. And the more time people spend with those that have the same beliefs, the stronger the shared experience becomes.

So in the end, it comes down to interpretation and perception. Scientists are now battling with the thought that there is very little substance to this world, that at the sub atomic level there is no physical connection between the molicules of atoms, that 96% of the universe is missing and thus debunking the fundamental thoughts and beliefs regarding gravity and its various laws. The more we learn and discover, the less it appers we know. We are moving into an age of mysteriousness. Science no longer holds the power over the western world that it gained from the years of positivistic thinking. As this happens, more and more people are looking towards alternative explinations for their everyday experiences. Explinateions that often make more sense than what the physical sciences have to offer. The age of paradigmatic, single tracked thinking is over, and the time of free non-linear thought is upon us, where people are free from the version of reality that society chooses for us, as we can now form and create our own realites, just like our ancestors in ages long past.

May peace be upon you.